Dallas all over eagles tonight. Its such a shame that they wont get rid of those sorry two that have bogus stats that make them look like super heros but, choke every big game that they have. See a good quarterback and coach can make the playoffs but, great QB's and coaches win the playoffs. Last week should have said it all. There is a slight thought in my head though that they may be able to win this game because the odds of life are with them. its the most common thought about this game is that a team is tough to beat 3 times so, that may be the only edge the eagles got. Just my thoughts. GO BOYS!!!!!!!
Sorry Fitch, I feel bad for you because you are so loyal. I can respect that. I was the same 10 Years ago and was just let down to many times. I picked a team that actually isnt afraid to spend a buck. They may not win all the time but, they show that they will do anything to try to win for there fans.
Quote from: Rippin_Lips on January 09, 2010, 06:59:23 PM
Dallas all over eagles tonight. Its such a shame that they wont get rid of those sorry two that have bogus stats that make them look like super heros but, choke every big game that they have. See a good quarterback and coach can make the playoffs but, great QB's and coaches win the playoffs. Last week should have said it all. There is a slight thought in my head though that they may be able to win this game because the odds of life are with them. its the most common thought about this game is that a team is tough to beat 3 times so, that may be the only edge the eagles got. Just my thoughts. GO BOYS!!!!!!!
Sorry Fitch, I feel bad for you because you are so loyal. I can respect that. I was the same 10 Years ago and was just let down to many times. I picked a team that actually isnt afraid to spend a buck. They may not win all the time but, they show that they will do anything to try to win for there fans.
So you are saying you jumped the Dallas bandwagon 10 years ago? Pity. I would rather endure a thousand deaths than be a bandwagon jumper. GO BIRDS!
Quote from: Rippin_Lips on January 09, 2010, 06:59:23 PM
Dallas all over eagles tonight. Its such a shame that they wont get rid of those sorry two that have bogus stats that make them look like super heros but, choke every big game that they have. See a good quarterback and coach can make the playoffs but, great QB's and coaches win the playoffs. Last week should have said it all. There is a slight thought in my head though that they may be able to win this game because the odds of life are with them. its the most common thought about this game is that a team is tough to beat 3 times so, that may be the only edge the eagles got. Just my thoughts. GO BOYS!!!!!!!"
First you say Dallas will win and then you say that the Eagles "may be able to win".
So you are picking both teams to win.
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Looks like now we need a defense to get back to respectable playoff football. I put that game on the defense more than the offense, although both were bad. I think the Cowboys have a shot at the NFC Championship if they dont pull a Romo.
Ryan: i was saying they may win cause the odds of beating a team 3 times are kinda slim. Thats all. I know they are not the better team. I thought andy could have figured it out after 2 azz whoopins.
Dan: I loved the eagles, I didnt care for the organization. They are truly about the doallar and not winning. Fill the stands, mission accomplished. I believe Jerry Jones wants to please the fans. That is my opinion, Everybody has a different one. Mine is best though of course :grin:
band wagon jumpers are the worst.. you bail on your local team and jump in with the team that is doing well now..
of course you were a fan for the last 10 years to make it sound good..
how do you sleep at night?
They kicked our butts but i will never be a band wagon jumper go birds..
Get your jumpsuit on, it's time to get ready to go to work.
Eagle's defense was decimated by injuries. The offense - as long as McNubbs is taking snaps. will not win any big ones as he chokes under the pressure. The Eagles racked up a lot of points this season, and when it came time for going "all in" they sure wern't holding the cards, other than the Joker at quarterback.
REDBUG, you always have a way of strongly stressing your opinion. I said I used to love the eagles, and I did switch 10 years ago BECAUSE, now listen. I did not like the way the organization was ran. The management is all about money and not for the feelings of the die hard fans like myself 10 years ago. The players i liked. They were always short of the extra stud they needed. AND WHY? Let me answer that for you mr. die hard. " as long as we filled the stands, they didnt have to better the team" Imagine if the person who sold you your bass boat said it did 75 MPH and when you drove it away it 50 MPH. How would you feel about that guy. Exactley, thats how I feel about Mr. Lori, Mcnothing and Fat Andy. Like I said in the previous post. Thats my opinion, I didnt mean to hurt the die hards.
Also i have been on this board for the last 5 years and always said i didnt care for the eagles. Just so everyone knows I jumped the bandwagon long ago. Anyway football will still be interesting for me this year. Its nice to watch a team who cares how they appear to the rest of the world.
Bruce, thank god someone has an open mind about this whole subject. Why cant people admit something when its right in there face.
Quote from: Rippin_Lips on January 10, 2010, 01:13:38 PM
Exactley, thats how I feel about Mr. Lori, Mcnothing and Fat Andy. Like I said in the previous post. Thats my opinion, I didnt mean to hurt the die hards.
Yo
Leave Donny alone.....at least He looked good playing the Air Guitar....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQglitXn8nY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQglitXn8nY)
What a joke he is
Quote from: Rippin_Lips on January 10, 2010, 01:44:46 PM
What a joke he is
I wouldn't say He is a joke, as He has been a really good NFL QB over the 11 years He has been here.
He'll be a borderline Hall of Fame QB by the time He retires. Problem is, We as fans have not had that elusive NFL title since 1960, and most of you were not even around then.
Not being able to win the " big game " is going to be McNabb's legacy in Philly, like it or not.
Being labeled a choke artist in those games is going to be his legacy here, maybe years from now, fans will forget some of the NFC Title game miscues and look at him in a different light, but for the foreseeable future, what they see is a team that was in the playoffs almost every season, was in 5 NFCC games , and only got to 1 Super Bowl, and lost there.
TD to Int rate for McNabb kind of backs up the " can't play in the big one ".
Thru 2009 season McNabb's regular season TD to INT was 216 to 100 over a 2 to 1 ratio.........but in 13 playoff starts He drops down to an 19 to 13 Td to INT rate.
In " close" career games, those decided by 7 points or less, in 61 games, his TD to INT rate is only 77 TD's to 52 INTs'
Night be time to end the run of the Reid/McNabb show as we have seen the reruns again. Explore the trade market for Him, if they can manipulate a top 15 draft pick from a desperate team, move him, start Kolb, use the draft to rebuild the Lines and D.
QuoteBruce, thank god someone has an open mind about this whole subject
DANG! That's the first time anyone has ever accused me of having an OPEN MIND about anything. :grin:
As much as I hate to say anything about Vick, now that he is in the Eagles camp I might like to see the Eagles keep him and develop an offense around him. Possibly, if they can't deal McNabb, keep him as the backup. He could at least keep the Gatorade cold. With the Eagles HEALTHY, Vick would provide some of the options that McNabb offered early in his career and maybe interject some excitement into Eagles football. The Eagles offense, with McNabb at QB, is destined to sail or fail on McNabbs passing - and at this point that isn't good enough or, more importantly, consistant enough to get them into the big show. On defense the secondary may need some help. Dumping Dawkins this year - well I don't think that was the best move, I really think his prescence was misssed. As for the coach, I don't understand him sticking with McNabb - I was excited when he put Vick in for the 3rd series of downs, and when he threw the TD, thought the lightbulb went on in Reid's head. Next series McNubbs was back - what was Andy thinking? Brief flash of brilliance, followed by extended periods of twilight. Yeah, he tried it again later in the game and Vick fumbled. I really think playing a series and then sitting doesn't give Vick an opportuity to get any rythym going, and bendhing McNubbs for a series only adds further to his funk. Maybe if he'd just stop grinning. Just my opinion.
Quote from: redbug on January 10, 2010, 12:12:38 PM
how do you sleep at night?
They kicked our butts but i will never be a band wagon jumper go birds..
May have been a little harsh.. the cowboys were the better team last night. they dominated the eagles. McNabb when he is on is very hard to beat but in the big games that never seems to happen. I think this was his last game as an eagle. Maybe Klob can do better in a big game.. time will tell.
Either way i will remain a fan the the good times and bad.
Keep Vick and build an offense around him? Now I know you've gone off the deep end.
Get something for McNabb. Waive Westbrook. Get all that contract money and a pick and get help.
Let Kolb play next year. The worst thing that happens is you find out you need a different QB and he won't be your guy for the future. You have to find out some time. You've hit the ceiling with McNabb so you might as well figure out what you have with Kolb.
Use the money to get defensive secondary help and more offensive line help. That's where they are lacking. The offensive weapons are very good. The defensive line is pretty good and the linebackers will be fine if they all come back ok from injury. Not sure you can know that or not.
Oh, and you're going to have to pay Jackson big bucks to get him back on the field. Did you guys see who he picked up as his agent a month or so back?
We will see this year if they want to win or not. remember this is an uncapped year so the can spend as much as they want..
I agree they don't like to spend the money but without a cap they can lock up Jackson without worrying about the cap.
I doubt he will be in camp without his contract being reworked
So you think mcnabb is inconsistant and you want vick in? Ask a falcons fan about vicks passing. No way we keep him next year as a back up either. He's owed 5 mil next year. Way too much for a backup.
And Justin, I thought you were a bills fan now? :D
I think mcnutts stays long as the fans support him. Stan 2009 stats i belive came from playing really weak losing teams. As a matter a fact i would like to look back at his career and actually see if most his big wins came off teams with losing records. I dont think i have ever witnessed mcnutts ever winning a game they had to win. Im pretty sure most of those games came from an amazing defense causing turnovers. I rarely ever seen mcnutts lead the team down to score when they needed it most. Maybe a couple times. I dont know, I just think the guy was marketed right and him and fat ass were good salesmen. Somehow I think Andy, mcnutts and lori stick together and get each others back. They just generate money for each other and dont let anyone that has star quality fit in for the fear of there thunder will be taken away and cause them to be unmarketable. They could really care less if they win it all or not. If they do it just prolongs there cause. Long as the fans support them they will run with it. Its all about the cash.
Im a TO Fan really. Id rather be an eagles fan.
Quote from: bfitch on January 10, 2010, 05:28:54 PM
So you think mcnabb is inconsistant and you want vick in? Ask a falcons fan about vicks passing. No way we keep him next year as a back up either. He's owed 5 mil next year. Way too much for a backup.
And Justin, I thought you were a bills fan now? :D
LOL @ Vick at QB...
McNabb is not accurate, but Vick is even worse. They would run him out of town after the first half of the season.
Comparison.
McNabb career QB rating = 86.5 ( last 3 years 89.7 )
Vicks Career QB rating = 75.9 ( last 3 as starter 75.6 )
McNabb accuracy = 59 %
Vick accuracy = 53 %
Quote from: Rippin_Lips on January 10, 2010, 05:33:18 PM
I think mcnutts stays long as the fans support him. Stan 2009 stats i belive came from playing really weak losing teams. As a matter a fact i would like to look back at his career and actually see if most his big wins came off teams with losing records. I dont think i have ever witnessed mcnutts ever winning a game they had to win. Im pretty sure most of those games came from an amazing defense causing turnovers. I rarely ever seen mcnutts lead the team down to score when they needed it most. Maybe a couple times. I dont know, I just think the guy was marketed right and him and fat ass were good salesmen. Somehow I think Andy, mcnutts and lori stick together and get each others back. They just generate money for each other and dont let anyone that has star quality fit in for the fear of there thunder will be taken away and cause them to be unmarketable. They could really care less if they win it all or not. If they do it just prolongs there cause. Long as the fans support them they will run with it. Its all about the cash.
see, the "all about the money" thinking doesnt make sense to me. all the extra cash flow that comes from a championship. the team gets bonuses, the players get bonuses, merch sales go through the roof. you get much more exposure, pick up more fans across the country. i mean, look at the phils. 5 years ago they had an 80-90mil budget, now after winning a WS, they have a 140mil budget.
Quote from: Rippin_Lips on January 10, 2010, 05:33:18 PM
I think mcnutts stays long as the fans support him. Stan 2009 stats i belive came from playing really weak losing teams. As a matter a fact i would like to look back at his career and actually see if most his big wins came off teams with losing records.
Thru 2009 season McNabb's regular season TD to INT was 216 to 100 over a 2 to 1 ratio.........but in 13 playoff starts He drops down to an 19 to 13 Td to INT rate.
In " close" career games, those decided by 7 points or less, in 61 career games, his TD to INT rate is only 77 TD's to 52 INTs'These are CAREER stats...what is says is that in close games ( games behind by 7 points or less ) that Mcnabb's interception ratio almost doubles.
As far as career wins over losing teams.....way too much info to post, but He has very good numbers in the REGULAR season against winning teams...............it is the playoffs that He has faltered in.
Versus the NFC his career QB rating in 108 games is 89.8
Versus the AFC his career QB rating in 38 games is 78.6
Versus the NFC East in 61 ccareer games his QB rating is 85.5
Versus the NFC North in 13 career games it is 100.8
Regular season is not the problem.
Really Stan, with all your stats and sports accumen, ESPN should have snapped you up long ago. :grin:
With the three choices Phila has for QB next yea (at present), I'd like to see Vick over either of the other two. Next year with McNubbs at QB (and if Reid is still coach, he will be) will be just another year of disappointment. I'm not a huge fan, but I'd rather next year be a year of anticipation with Vick (over Kolb) than a disappointing repeat of the last few years. If McNabb is back at the helm next year I'm gonna start watching the Ravens, that will still keep me a "bird" fan.
Quote from: bassboogieman on January 10, 2010, 06:27:25 PM
Really Stan, with all your stats and sports accumen, ESPN should have snapped you up long ago. :grin:
With the three choices Phila has for QB next yea (at present), I'd like to see Vick over either of the other two. Next year with McNubbs at QB (and if Reid is still coach, he will be) will be just another year of disappointment. I'm not a huge fan, but I'd rather next year be a year of anticipation with Vick (over Kolb) than a disappointing repeat of the last few years. If McNabb is back at the helm next year I'm gonna start watching the Ravens, that will still keep me a "bird" fan.
ESPN.....used to be a good show......years ago...
Eh, Vick has proven that he is no better than McNabb as far as accuracy in his career.
He is a runner....not what this offense needs with the young , good receiving corps it has developed.
Rather see them give Kolb a shot, He has sat and learned for 3 years now, has a good arm, was very accurate in College, and did Ok in the 2 games He started when McNabb was hurt.
They need to find out what He has, as after next season he becomes a free agent. They moved up in the draft to take this guy, have spent a lot of time teaching him, if He is not ready now they need to know.
They are not going to go any farther with McNabb at the helm. His trade value will not go any higher, still a couple teams out there who might be desperate enough to give the Iggles a 1st round pick ( Oakland, SanFran, St. Louis, maybe Minnesota if Favre "retires " )
Trade McNabb, start Kolb, use the pick to get an impact player for the D.
Vick on the other hand will also probably be traded, His contract is a 2 year deal, with the Eagles holding the option for 2010 @ 5.2 million for that year. Don't see the Eagles paying Vick that much over Kolb who will make $ 555,000 next year.
Something has to give this off season cause both Kolb and McNabb's contracts are done after 2010.
Fishing anyone?!
Quote from: docirv on January 10, 2010, 07:55:30 PM
Fishing anyone?!
LOL...Not yet.......and no ice fishing.
Give Kolb a chance. He looked pretty darn good the 2 games he started. Again, you know what you have with McNabb, and it isn't a championship. Vick isn't the answer either. Reid wants a west coast offense, and that requires an accurate passer. McNabb isn't anything near the quarterback that Joe Montana or Steve Young or even Jeff Garcia was in their prime. Now THEY could run a west coast offense. And McNabb is past his prime. The sad part is, Westbrook was the PERFECT back for that system. If only they had the perfect quarterback during that time.
As for money being generated by a championship, that's just plain false. The actuality is that the Eagles are maximizing their profit by having a playoff contending team every year, getting to the playoffs most years, 5 years in the NFC Championship, once in the Super Bowl. The fans that fill the stadium buy lots of merchandise. Maybe not all at the stadium, but every Eagles piece of merchandise has a cut that goes back to the franchise. THAT'S how they generate all that revenue. The only problem is, the fans are growing weary of not having a championship. That's the only danger to their plan. But if they get rid of 5, at least they can say they are trying to get over the hump, and that alone will be enough to make the fans happy, at least for a couple more seasons.
i guarantee that they made more money in 04 then any other season.
49 seasons without a bowl. They blow! admit it. Screw the playoffs. The lions made the playoffs before to. I guess they are considered good right? I think cleveland made the playoffs once or twice to. Their great. Stop supporting this money making scheme and you will see results. Its that easy. It can be done, I left them and will be a fan again the first change i see to better the team. Until then they are scrap. They did not beat any playoff teams this year, the bottom line is for the last 10 years the nfc east has sucked. When that conference is hot the eagles sit at the bottom. Come on stan you got to remember those seasons, I do
They are a joke.
Championships
League championships (3)
NFL Championships (3)
1948, 1949, 1960
Conference championships (3)
NFL Eastern: 1960
NFC: 1980, 2004
Division championships (11)
NFL East: 1947, 1948, 1949, 1960
NFC East: 1980, 1988, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006
Playoff appearances (22)
NFL: 1947, 1948, 1949, 1960, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009
Home fields
Baker Bowl (1933–1935)
Philadelphia Municipal Stadium (1936–1939; 1941)
Connie Mack Stadium (1940; 1942–1957)
a.k.a. Shibe Park (1940–1953)
Franklin Field (1958–1970)
Veterans Stadium (1971–2002)
Lincoln Financial Field (2003–Present)
Quote from: Rippin_Lips on January 11, 2010, 06:08:20 AM
49 seasons without a bowl. They blow! admit it. Screw the playoffs. The lions made the playoffs before to. I guess they are considered good right? I think cleveland made the playoffs once or twice to. Their great. Stop supporting this money making scheme and you will see results. Its that easy. It can be done, I left them and will be a fan again the first change i see to better the team. Until then they are scrap. They did not beat any playoff teams this year, the bottom line is for the last 10 years the nfc east has sucked. When that conference is hot the eagles sit at the bottom. Come on stan you got to remember those seasons, I do
Oh come on, you can't compare them to the Browns or the Lions. You're being completely ludicrous. Yeah, the Browns made the playoffs, but the current Browns only once. (remember the Ravens?)
Get the revenue totals from all the years. 2004 might be the highest, but I will bet you a Jackson not by more than 5%. They make a LOT of money EVERY year.
I can't believe you're so sucked in by the Cowboys. I used to be a Cowboys fan, back when they were the underdog, playing the Packers on a rock hard icy field for the NFC championship, back when it was Super Bowl I and II. After they re-marketed themselves as "America's Team" in the mid 70s I got disgusted with them and started rooting for the Eagles. The Eagles are "Philadelphia's Team". That's good enough for me.
Dave, not to change the subject but, Damn you are an old fart. :grin: I wasnt even born then.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention to you. I shot my 5th 300 game on December 29th.
if you add up all the scores for a night, then ive shot plenty of 300s :grin:
5 is serious, i will be lucky to have 1 in my lifetime. Thats great (perfect) bowling