There's an eBay store selling new Quantum Tour Edition PT Burner's (Left hand retrieve) for 120 a pop with free shipping. Thats a friggin steal....even if they arelast year's model!
I bought one!
simmons had this deal early this year. i bought 2 :grin:
If only they would drop the price a little bit more on the discontinued Chronarch Mgs.
Ive never used a Chronarch, but if the 120 is in your affordable range, recommend you give it a shot. I am certain you will be happy with the Quantum PT Tour Edition. I have 2 Accurists and 2 Energys, and I love em all. The addition of the Burner Tour Edition will probably make me fall even more in love with Quantum reels...
Quote from: dan61psu on February 08, 2009, 07:28:57 PM
Ive never used a Chronarch, but if the 120 is in your affordable range, recommend you give it a shot. I am certain you will be happy with the Quantum PT Tour Edition. I have 2 Accurists and 2 Energys, and I love em all. The addition of the Burner Tour Edition will probably make me fall even more in love with Quantum reels...
Until you get the itch to TX fish a lot........then you'll switch to Shimanos... :grin:
Quantum hater?
Quote from: dan61psu on February 08, 2009, 07:47:40 PM
Quantum hater?
No, they make some decent reels, but the amount and way I fish I have not had any of them hold up over the course of a few years time.
I keep trying different brands, just to see what's new and how they hold up, and so far nothing can touch the Shimanos for taking a beating and longevity.
I have some original Curados that are 10 -12 years old and never been touched. They're like the Energizer bunny, they just keep going.
When on a crankbait pattern bite I might make close to 1800 casts in a TX day, the Quantums I tested just did not hold up the that amount of abuse. I had to have one rebult after a season of that type.
I would like to get some of the new Curados, but my old ones keep working...... :grin:
I don't hate them, just didn't like the one I tried a few years ago. Didn't hold up very well, and everyone knows I don't fish a lot, but I didn't get a season from the PT I tried. Haven't given them a second chance. It's Pflueger for me, I have several models and they are holding up well. I did see some poor reviews/commentary on the Tour Editions (a lot of people jumped on them when BPS & Cabela's closed them out) having similiar problems to what I experienced with the PT but not everyone is having bad experiences - you obviously have not. As to Shimano - I don't see the big benifit of those reels - I have a couple, and they are OK. But at the price Shimano gets for their reels I would expect a little more for my money. I think they are over hyped and over priced. Worse than a LUCKY CRAFT bait in my opinion. I really do believe there are better reels for less money than a comparable Shimano - the REVO for one and Pflueger is another. With the new frame on the Pflueger President I think it's better than a comparable Curado for about $40 less, so with the 12 baitcasters I have that's enough to buy a couple more Kistler LTA's. :grin:
QuoteWhen on a crankbait pattern bite I might make close to 1800 casts in a TX day
I'm gonna cry foul on that one. A tournament usually runs 8 hours. Casting at that rate means 250 casts an hour, or more than 4 a minute. That doesn't allow fishing anywhere but the ramp (even with a Basscat), changing baits, unhooking a fish, putting in in the livewell, or taking a leak. I just watched a day on the lake - Two Professionals fishing 8 hours one made 450 casts the other 620, that means you are doing 3 - 4 times what those pro's were doing. They didn'd move much due to heavy fog so they didn't have much drive time and they were not using unusually "slow" presentations either.
You all know I love the Quantum reels. I've used them for a few years now and when I switched from rightys to leftys I still loved them so much I stayed with Quantum. I just really like the way they cast. But everyone has their own preferences and hey, that's what makes the world go round, right? Otherwise we'd all be throwing an ABU Garcia or something. Shimano makes some good reels. I love the Fleuger spinning reel I have and it was way too affordable to work as well as it does and be as dependable as it is. I'd try some of the Diawas too but they are way out of my league price wise. I had a little Diawa spinning reel many years ago and that seemed to last forever. Doc's steez setup is the sweetest thing I ever laid hands on but hey you can buy a used car for a couple of those.
Quote from: bassboogieman on February 08, 2009, 08:17:01 PM
I don't hate them, just didn't like the one I tried a few years ago. Didn't hold up very well, and everyone knows I don't fish a lot, but I didn't get a season from the PT I tried. Haven't given them a second chance. It's Pflueger for me, I have several models and they are holding up well. I did see some poor reviews/commentary on the Tour Editions (a lot of people jumped on them when BPS & Cabela's closed them out) having similiar problems to what I experienced with the PT but not everyone is having bad experiences - you obviously have not. As to Shimano - I don't see the big benifit of those reels - I have a couple, and they are OK. But at the price Shimano gets for their reels I would expect a little more for my money. I think they are over hyped and over priced. Worse than a LUCKY CRAFT bait in my opinion. I really do believe there are better reels for less money than a comparable Shimano - the REVO for one and Pflueger is another. With the new frame on the Pflueger President I think it's better than a comparable Curado for about $40 less, so with the 12 baitcasters I have that's enough to buy a couple more Kistler LTA's. :grin:
QuoteWhen on a crankbait pattern bite I might make close to 1800 casts in a TX day
I'm gonna cry foul on that one. A tournament usually runs 8 hours. Casting at that rate means 250 casts an hour, or more than 4 a minute. That doesn't allow fishing anywhere but the ramp (even with a Basscat), changing baits, unhooking a fish, putting in in the livewell, or taking a leak. I just watched a day on the lake - Two Professionals fishing 8 hours one made 450 casts the other 620, that means you are doing 3 - 4 times what those pro's were doing. They didn'd move much due to heavy fog so they didn't have much drive time and they were not using unusually "slow" presentations either.
You can call foul all you want....a lot of TX's are more than 8 hours.......You are welcome to come out and fish one with me and see how it is done...... I Fish fast for active fish, no long casts, 4 a minute is fairly accurate.
I don't waste any time getting fish into the boat and in the well and back on the cast....I rareley change baits when the C bite is on, that is what practice days are for. :grin:
I feel a $100 wager coming on. OK, you each give me your $100. I'll sit in the boat and count Stan's casts for 1 hour. They have to be fishable casts, not 10 feet, but don't have to be 50 either. An hour will pretty much tell if he can get anywhere near 1800 casts in even a 10 hour tournament. I get the standard 20% referee fee.
An hour will not tell. I think you could do it for an hour, and an hour casting is NOT an hour fishing. If you are lucky and hit on THE bait you could fish it all day, but you are not going to throw the same bait all day if you aren't getting bit so you are going to be thinking about what you want to throw and tie it on. But again I am relating to an 8 hour Tx. even one running 9 hours. Travel has to eat a half hour minimum (BassCats are fast!) You could sit on a spot or fish from the bank for an hour and make a couple hundred cast. But fatigue will be a factor as the days goes on, and most people will slow a bit towards the end of the day. I don't know anyone who fishes ONE spot for an entire Tx. so you also need to factor in moving either while on the TM or fire up the gas hog. So many little interruptions will eventually add up and affected the final total in a day of FISHING (opposed to a day of casting). Even KVD doesn't throw much more than a 1100/day when fishing and he is about the fastest out there. I don't doubt Stan makes a lot of casts, and I could see the high number being more possible pitching a jig or other plastic - short, multiple, quick pitches to the same spot can add up pretty quickly. I just can't imagine that kind of number while FISHING cranks as it also much more tiring than pitching plastic. Unless Stan is the 6 MILLION DOLLAR FISHERMAN (an obscure reference likely only understood by OLD people)
Quote from: bassboogieman on February 09, 2009, 06:20:03 AM
An hour will not tell. I think you could do it for an hour, and an hour casting is NOT an hour fishing. If you are lucky and hit on THE bait you could fish it all day, but you are not going to throw the same bait all day if you aren't getting bit so you are going to be thinking about what you want to throw and tie it on. But again I am relating to an 8 hour Tx. even one running 9 hours. Travel has to eat a half hour minimum (BassCats are fast!) You could sit on a spot or fish from the bank for an hour and make a couple hundred cast. But fatigue will be a factor as the days goes on, and most people will slow a bit towards the end of the day. I don't know anyone who fishes ONE spot for an entire Tx. so you also need to factor in moving either while on the TM or fire up the gas hog. So many little interruptions will eventually add up and affected the final total in a day of FISHING (opposed to a day of casting). Even KVD doesn't throw much more than a 1100/day when fishing and he is about the fastest out there. I don't doubt Stan makes a lot of casts, and I could see the high number being more possible pitching a jig or other plastic - short, multiple, quick pitches to the same spot can add up pretty quickly. I just can't imagine that kind of number while FISHING cranks as it also much more tiring than pitching plastic. Unless Stan is the 6 MILLION DOLLAR FISHERMAN (an obscure reference likely only understood by OLD people)
:huh:
Quote from: bassboogieman on February 09, 2009, 06:20:03 AM
An hour will not tell. I think you could do it for an hour, and an hour casting is NOT an hour fishing. If you are lucky and hit on THE bait you could fish it all day, but you are not going to throw the same bait all day if you aren't getting bit so you are going to be thinking about what you want to throw and tie it on. But again I am relating to an 8 hour Tx. even one running 9 hours. Travel has to eat a half hour minimum (BassCats are fast!) You could sit on a spot or fish from the bank for an hour and make a couple hundred cast. But fatigue will be a factor as the days goes on, and most people will slow a bit towards the end of the day. I don't know anyone who fishes ONE spot for an entire Tx. so you also need to factor in moving either while on the TM or fire up the gas hog. So many little interruptions will eventually add up and affected the final total in a day of FISHING (opposed to a day of casting). Even KVD doesn't throw much more than a 1100/day when fishing and he is about the fastest out there. I don't doubt Stan makes a lot of casts, and I could see the high number being more possible pitching a jig or other plastic - short, multiple, quick pitches to the same spot can add up pretty quickly. I just can't imagine that kind of number while FISHING cranks as it also much more tiring than pitching plastic. Unless Stan is the 6 MILLION DOLLAR FISHERMAN (an obscure reference likely only understood by OLD people)
don't foget... catching a fish a fish will eat up some of that time too.
:grin:
don't we have a stirring the pot emotion?
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Quote from: bassboogieman on February 09, 2009, 11:24:23 AM
:huh:
You are making assumptions on the very limited TX experience you have and probably on lake fishing versus tidal water.
You are right on a few points, but assuming on the most will not get you your answers.
Cbait and trap fishing, if I am fishing a larger TX, yes I will have been out on the water before hand, and narrowed it down to what bait, This goes hand in hand with the previous discussion on color of cbaits.
Shad or chartreuse, not too hard to narrow that down. Once I have it, I will fish that bait all day, like I said, I do not waste time in larger TX's. No changing baits, no stopping to eat, no BS. As far as running time, I almost always find spots close to the launch, the grass is not always greener the farther you run.
I have won TX's without ever running my gas motor, save for getting the boat off and back on the trailer. There are days I put the trolling motor down and start fishing and just stay on it, and fish from spot to spot, you would be surprised at the fish you can catch on non fishy looking spots while moving to another...........one of the reasons I have the biggest trolling motor batteries made, so I can do that all day.
Fatigue will play a factor IF you are not conditioned to throwing a cbait all day, but also if you are using equipment that makes you work harder to throw the bait.......Deep divers will make you work hard, heavy rods, all play a part in fatigue, but conditioning is # 1, you have yo have done this for a long time to realize how to economize your arm actions, reeling etc so not to put undo wear on your self.
Sit on one spot all day ? Of course , it happens more than you think in TX's. If you have done your homework and find a spot that offers the bass a quick movement from cover to deeper water you can sit on an area all day.....I've done it with 2 people on the boat, literally sat on a spot no larger than a 2 car garage for 9 hours, both of us catching fish every 35 minutes or so......remember he first rule of TX fishing........never leave fish to find fish. This spot is about 15 minutes from the ramp, and there are plenty of others like it, all within 15 minutes run time, some much less. Monotonous ? Yes, and with a back seater, it has to be fished in tandem, each has to follow the same pattern for it to work.
When fishing an area like this, you're not making 2 handed , heaving as far as you can casts with a cbait. Most casts will be 20 feet or less, water depths range from 2 to 10 feet. You use a dissection approach, pick apart any obvious structure, then using a clockwise motion, make short casts in 1-2 foot increments all the way around the perimeter, you cover virtually every inch of the bottom this way. By the time you get back 360 * to the starting point, the tide will have moved in/out a bit more, the fish will move a little with it, you start around again. Unlike lake/pond fishing tidal water changes every hour, so with each go around you are hitting a little different water structure.
Do I do this all the time fishing cranks, No. But there are certain times /conditions during the year that it happens.
Ask George how many times He has " stopped by ' and seen me thru out a TX day when these days happen.
The hardest part of these days is trying to keep the spot, you do a lot of " Red Man Shuffles "with the boat to stay on the prime area.
Come spring , before the Rally you'll have to come out with me for a day during the week, we can compare ways to cbait fish....
I've been on the flats striper fishing with traps or swimbaits which are cranked about as fast as you can reel, and there is no way I'm going to make 150 casts an hour on open water, for any extended period of time. I just can't comprehend doing a hundred more than that every hour, for the entire day. And when those puppies are biting, those aren't really long casts either - but it does take time to release them and get back chucking the lure.
Eli will confirm that I only cast with two hands to keep from throwing my rods overboard - Right Pillager?
And you are correct - my tournament experience is insignificant and mostly lake/reservoir. But I do think the above striper analogy applies.
Quote from: bassboogieman on February 09, 2009, 01:02:55 PM
I've been on the flats striper fishing with traps or swimbaits which are cranked about as fast as you can reel, and there is no way I'm going to make 150 casts an hour on open water, for any extended period of time. I just can't comprehend doing a hundred more than that every hour, for the entire day. And when those puppies are biting, those aren't really long casts either - but it does take time to release them and get back chucking the lure.
Eli will confirm that I only cast with two hands to keep from throwing my rods overboard - Right Pillager?
And you are correct - my tournament experience is insignificant and mostly lake/reservoir. But I do think the above striper analogy applies.
One handed roll casts for cranking shallow, both hands, so not to wear one out :grin:
We'll go out mid week in spring for some.
I propose we enforce a post limt on the number of words. These are getting too verbose. I can only read half before I loose interest :grin:
Quote from: Eli on February 09, 2009, 01:23:10 PM
I propose we enforce a post limt on the number of words. These are getting too verbose. I can only read half before I loose interest :grin:
Read faster.... :grin: